27 Comments on “Kyle Learns the Storm Bowling Ball Layout System”

  1. I have been trying to understand layouts for years and I learned more in this video than I ever have. Thank you!

  2. This is a really good video…..really good. I’ve bowled all my life, and I’m old, and this is a great way to articulate the differences. It’s not like I’ve asked all these questions before, but I know more about what to ask when I bug my pro shop next time πŸ™‚

  3. Awesome guys!!! Love this. ( ps, Daniel, I’ve increased my league average about 15 pins this yr, after your clinic down here)

  4. I’ve tried to understand the VLS system, but the dual angle one is easier for me. I’m a math guy, geometry especially and angle values make more sense to me.

    1. Same here. To me, this β€œsimplification” attempt by Storm makes it more complicated than it really is.

    2. @TheVlad1616 I think the younger people would understand this system better. The kids now don’t do geometry in school much anymore, so angle values don’t make sense to them.

    3. @James de la Cruz I don’t know that you need to know geometry per say, other than you need to understand what an angle is…

    4. If you’re a math guy and into geometry, I’m surprised you don’t gravitate towards VLS. In geometric terms VLS cuts the core into the x and y axis of a geometric graph which is how I (also very math savvy) visualize it in my head. You orient the core to your pap by the distance between both axis. Pin buffer and val angle are identical in my head I actually think angle maxes more sense.
      People think I’m crazy, but I actually think the best layout system is distance x distance x angle, which is a hybrid of both VLS and Dual Angle.
      I’m fluent in both systems and knowing them both is what really helps understand the entire process I believe.

  5. Once you get used to it VLS makes sooooooo much more sense. Especially after watching the 3 storm videos. They do an AMAZING job explaining what each number does. I’m an engineer so the physics are much easier to understand with VLS because it is clear what the core is going to, dependant on the measurement.

    One thing I do recommend is using 1 system. Trying to relate VLS to dual angle will complicate everything. There are some widely available excel arsenal spreadsheets that will convert VLS to dual angle and vice versa.

    1. I’d love to hear more of your thoughts bro.. not an engineer but would like to hear more about how you see what a core will do

  6. Had to put it in a way my simple brain could understand haha

    Pin to PAP
    1 1/2” Lays the core on its’ side (Control)
    3 1/2” Puts the core at a 45* angle (Aggressive)
    6” Stands the core straight up (Length)

    PSA to PAP (Spins the core)
    2” (Control)
    4” (Aggressive)
    6” (Length)

    Pin Buffer
    1” Increases diff. Hook phaze sooner.
    4” Decreases diff. Hook phaze later.

  7. What’s the best way to get your PSO to look at your PAP before drilling the ball. I’ve had several drilled but they are only open during league hours so they don’t really sit down with people and work with them to find things like their PAP. They just measure your hand and drill the ball. I also have no idea what any of my measurements are.

    1. Go somewhere else or make an appointment with them. They should spend as much time with you as it takes down at the Lanes if they want your business.

  8. I think its more common for the driller to give the bowler shorter pins because they don’t know the PAP to start with, and then the bowler complains that the bowling ball is reading at the arrows and bailing the rest of the way to the pins

  9. This was probably the best and most useful video explanation of the VLS system. Thank you for this. Best fortunes this coming season Brad and Kyle.

  10. I don’t want to be a shill but one of the best things I ever downloaded was called “Paddock Dual Angle”. I’m not sure how accurate the conversions are from VLS to Dual Angle but would be interesting to know.

  11. I’m an old guy and when I got really into bowling in the early ’80’s urethane was getting big and there were no exotic layouts, it was like an ounce of finger weight and an ounce of side weight, it wasn’t rocket science. This explanation was the best one I’ve seen where I actually understood it. That tip at the end by Coach Daniel where he says don’t over complicate your ball choices because of over complicating your layout choices. So good! Thank you so much guys.

  12. So my ball driller recently drilled out a ball for me, I know my PAP is 6 over and 1 up, my pin is like half an inch from my PAP. Ball never hooks until the lanes get fried. Is that why because it’s too close to 0 inches?

  13. Do you ever re-evaluate your PAP? Have you or any of the pro’s you bowl with ever find that it has changed?

  14. Great video!! Thanks. I wonder if you might do a segment like this on Thumb Slugs, Finger grips, shoes and some possible other paraphernalia?

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